My Impromptu Meeting With Jay Webber
While walking around the town where I work during my lunch hour today, I bumped into NJGOP leader Jay Webber. I thought the entire exchange would be of interest to readers of the CWA blog.
Jay and another man were having lunch at an outside table at a café in the town in which I work. I recognized him as I walked by, but did not think it appropriate to interrupt his lunch so I initially kept walking. After walking a full block past them, I had an “I’m as Mad as Hell and I’m Not Going To Take It Anymore,” moment, so I walked back to their table.
After apologizing for interrupting, here is a rough transcript (from memory) of the conversation that took place:
Me: When are you going to start speaking out on behalf of conservatives?
JW: I do it everyday!
Me: That’s not what Conservatives think.
JW: Why don’t you send me an e-mail at the state committee website, and I’ll address it. What exactly are you upset about? The failure to adopt a position on the GOP platform?
Me: It’s much broader than that. Why have you not spoken out on the Cap and Trade Vote, where Republicans Lance, Smith and LoBiando sold us out? Why haven’t you spoken out against the reappointment of Justice Albin? Why haven’t you spoken out against Chris Christie’s embrace of Obama?
JW: Send me an e-mail to the state committee website, and someone will address your concerns. What’s your name? Do you have a card?
Me: (Gave him my card). I blog on Michael Illions’ website Conservatives With Attitude. A lot of conservatives are not happy with where the party is going. Can you tell me why I should support Chris Christie in November?
JW: Because he will cut spending and cut taxes.
Me: Can you tell me specifically what spending he will cut and what taxes he will cut?
JW: Go to his website…I think he has 63 specific proposals for reducing the size and scope of government in NJ.
Me: I have been there, and I was just there this morning. I blogged a comment about the 10 specific points he has on the page for how he will cut spending. There are no specifics there.
JW: I don’t think he needs to tell you specifically how he is going to cut spending and taxes until he gets to Trenton.
Me: You don’t think that I have a right as a voter to know before an election specifically what his plan is, what his goals are and how he will accomplish them?
JW: It sounds like his message isn’t resonating with you, and that’s fine.
At this point the conversation petered out. It was not adversarial (certainly not from my perspective, and I hope he felt the same way).
Mr. Webber was polite to me, especially considering that I interrupted his lunch off the street as a total stranger. Nonetheless, he did not seem overly concerned that a constituent proclaiming himself to be a conservative was dissatisfied with the direction the NJGOP is presently taking. For those of us concerned about Mr. Webber’s silence, he said nothing to allay those concerns. In fairness to Mr. Webber, I did interrupt his lunch without an appointment, so perhaps he was not prepared to discuss policy at the moment I interrupted him.
One thing is clear to me after my brief conversation with him: to the extent that Mr. Webber has any disagreements with Mr. Christie, Mr. Webber will defer as long as Mr. Christie is the de facto leader of the NJGOP. For those of us who had high hopes for Mr. Webber upon his appointment, that is just one more reason to root for Mr. Christie to lose in November.
“I don’t think he needs to tell you specifically how he is going to cut spending and taxes until he gets to Trenton.”
You bothered Jay for that??? I believe I’ve been telling you (and the other useless schmucks here) that over and over.
Kudos to Jay for seeing you as the phony fencesitter you are and putting you in your place. It’s very gratifying.
I’m sure he would do the same to Illions if he didn’t feel he would risk getting attacked with a steel chair or a baseball bat covered in barbed wire.
BANG BANG!!
July 21st, 2009 at 7:51 amDino the Zero wrote:
“You bothered Jay for that??? I believe I’ve been telling you (and the other useless schmucks here) that over and over.”
Yes, you have been saying that. But you are a zero, and hearing Jay Webber say it has a different meaning.
Dino the Zero further babbled:
“for seeing you as the phony fencesitter you are ….”
As Michael pointed out yesterday, you obviously do not have even a rudimentary grasp of the English language. I am certainly not a “fencesitter,” as my views on the necessity of defeating Mr. Christie demonstrate anything but fencesitting. And as far as being a phony, you are the one who cowers behind a fake name and refuses to identify yourself in public. Although given the positions you espouse, I can’t say I disagree with your decision to blog using a phony identity.
As to your substantive point regarding Mr. Christie not needing to identify what he will do until he is given the reins of power, I hope you and your kind are not so cowardly as to run away from an open debate with Corzine on that issue. It would make for an interesting cultural barometer of how far the Left has made inroads toward the establishment of a dictatorship, at least in the People’s Republic of New Jersey.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:19 amDino,
You’re a strange little man.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:22 amEd:
Great interview. Just goes to show you how out of touch Webber is. Since his new website went up last week, Christie now has 79 ways he is going to screw New Jersey. Wow, the GOP chairman can’t even keep up with the number of lies that Christie is throwing around. From this impromptu interview, it sounds like Mr. Webber is nothing but a title, a person without substance in the party.
Hey Dino, you still are a moron!
Definition of Politics: “Poli” in latin meaning “many” and “tics” meaning “blood-sucking parasites.” Anonymous –
July 21st, 2009 at 8:44 amI am going to defend Jay for a moment because I know the man and I want to point out what he has done.
He has reached out to conservatives running for assembly not supported by the broken machine (Marks, Villaire, Funt) which in term means he is bucking his own running mate. Since Alex “I am more interested in being minority leader” DeCroce only has a plan to win six seats. Alex apparently can’t add, Jay can.
Christie appointed Jay, and thus Jay gets to stay beyond Christie’s loss in November. I have not seen Jay Webber be all about Christie. He simply answers the questions when asked.
Keep in mind that Christie could also un appoint Jay Weber and put in a Tom Wilson clone, who also would say past November. We only have a few more months of Christie, after that he gets added to the list of losers and then Jay Webber can begin the rebuild without interferance.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:48 am“Hey Dino, you still are a moron!”
Wow, how do I follow that one up?
July 21st, 2009 at 8:50 amPost script to my previous comment:
It is beyond ironic that the person runing around calling everyone here a “phony fencesitter” is himself/herself defending a candidate who refuses to take a position on anything.
Either Christie has no idea how to fix the problems facing the state of New Jersey, or he is so embarrassed by those ideas that he does not want to disclose them to the people who will judge him in the voting booth. Either way, it makes him the quintessential defintion of a “phony fencesitter.” It also makes him completely unfit to be governor – or in the words of the Declaration of Independence, “unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”
Any person who values his liberty should metaphorically slap Mr. Christie and his followers across the face for demanding the power to rule us without telling us what he plans to do. We are electing a governor, not a dictator.
Dino: I suggest you slither back to your RINO Church and report to them that they need to send someone with a little more intellectual heft to this site if they want to try and defend Chris Christie.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:58 amFormaja:
Points well taken. But imagine how much more good Mr. Webber could do if he took a principled stand on the non-Christie issues I raised…and if Christie fired him, he went public with what a phony Mr. Christieis? It would doom Mr. Christie’sa campaign and the RINO movement in general. PRinciple does not have to be a sacrifice…nor does it have to conflict with prudent politics.
Richard:
Thank you! As I indicated, I was a little hesitant to interrupt him the way I did because it was not a scheduled interview. But his silence on critical issues is troubling to me, to say the least.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:02 amDino:
You are a jerk too. Feel better?
July 21st, 2009 at 9:14 amI hear you Ed believe me. But if Christie fires him and puts in someone else it would give the liberals in the party that much more power for the future. Look at all the damage Tom Wilson did. Once Christie is gone the head of the party becomes Jay Webber. If we ae serious about challenging congressional incumbants next year having someone at the top is going to be key. Especially when all these county chairs try to run rigged room screening committees and gerrymandered conventions again. The State Chair can then tell them HE!! NO! and he will have to be listened to.
I am all about chain of command, and I think Jay at the top after Christie fades into obscurity next year will be a great thing. If Christie were to fire him for not going along it may give us an I told you so but it does nothing to help us in the long run.
Christie is done regardless, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Christie did a good thing here even if by total accident. I do not want to see it undone by pushing Jay into doing something that removes him from the position of authority he now holds.
Plus as I have been saying, we have local races to win. Mark/Vastine, Villaire, Funt, and a few others. It is obvious that the Christie liberals are not going to support them. Without Jay I think we could have no victories at all in November, and I want these Assembly seats.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:17 amEd:
Politics is like a business. Tell me a business owner or a president of a company who is not ready to sell the benefits of his company at a drop of a hat? I have been in business for years and I know from experience that if someone just “stopped by” and wanted to know about my company and business, well he better be prepared to dedicate a few of his life to that request.
Jay Webber is acting just like the rest of the RINOs in this state, silence is golden. Well, silence is BS! It’s about time for the few true conservatives in this state to start to demand answers to specific questions. Maybe a dummy like Dino is happy having others think for him, but real republicans want, no demand answers from a person that would like our support.
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” John Quincy Adams
July 21st, 2009 at 9:22 amEd, I don’t waste my intellect on people who don’t merit it. It would only go to waste here.
Nobody for the Christie campaign would be caught dead here because they don’t take any of you gadflies seriously and rightfully so. They have far more important things to do.
I’m only here because it’s fun watching you jamokes throw fits every single time I say something.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:22 am“You’re a strange little man.”
Hey….That’s my line! Sort of. But I agree in principle, Michael.
Let’s just say that Dino is a strange, funny little man – funny in the sense of amusement, much as a child is funny when he performs silly antics.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:42 am“Let’s just say that Dino is a strange, funny little man – funny in the sense of amusement, much as a child is funny when he performs silly antics.”
And this from a funny little man who dresses up in a funny little suit using a fake name….
July 21st, 2009 at 9:49 amAnd AMB, a liberal, jumps to Dino’s defense, a liberal.
Corzine and Christie should have a combined ticket, then maybe we can have a candidate that is actually different.
LOL! You guys are way to funny!
July 21st, 2009 at 9:56 am“And this from a funny little man who dresses up in a funny little suit using a fake name…”
Yeah, I’m sure at the next AFP rally Lonegan holds that ends up attracting all of 12 people at best, The Rash will share the podium with him and Prospero the Polar Bear.
That makes me him saaaaaad panda!
July 21st, 2009 at 10:07 amIn defense of Dino…
“I don’t waste my intellect”
Afterall, he has so little to spare.
Ed nice story. I will follow-up with an e-mail to Jay latter today.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:10 amHey Formica…I’m not defending anyone…I just like the irony.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:15 amFormaja:
Tell me one thing: how does your position on Webber differ from the RINO arguments in general? I am not saying you are a RINO at all, I am just saying that you are telling me to infer nothing from his lack of principle today in the hope that he will demostrate principles later. How is that different from the RINO argument writ large?
And…what if Christie attracts enough Democrats and Independents to actually win in November? You and I both agree on the unlikely prospect for that, but I am not willing to say there is zero chance of it happening. Then what? Where is our opposition voice?
Chris Christie needs to be defeated. I recognize that Mr. Webber obviously cannot call for that now, but he can stand against other RINOs and dare Mr. Christie to defend them by firing him. I think Mr. Webber would win that battle in the long run, because were it to happen – and were Mr. Webber to then speak out forcefully against RINOs of all stripes – he would ensure Mr. Christie’s defeat, as well as his own high standing among Conservatives.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:16 amThank you Di Marco!
July 21st, 2009 at 10:17 amEd,
In partial defense of Webber along the lines that formaja has been stating…the candidates running in November have been chosen prior to Jay getting the party’s Chairmanship. His job at the moment is to see that as many Republicans as possible get elected regardless if they are RINOs or real Republicans. I would hope that he whispers some cautioning words to those running that a veer to the left would be a great mistake and that they should seek the RIGHT path. While I am sure many of us would like to see a number of those seeking office bitch-slapped in public, realistically, it will not happen.
I believe the number one thing he needs to do, and do it soon, is to either adopt the National RNC Platform or come up with one himself. A sort of “Contract for NJ” signed by the Assembly candidates would not be a bad idea, too.
The bottom line for me is that the party needs to stand FOR something and they need to make that clear to the voters in New Jersey.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:50 am“And this from a funny little man who dresses up in a funny little suit using a fake name….”
The “funny little suit” is a handmade reproduction of the Continental Army uniform worn by New Jersey regiments in the early years of our war for independence. I realize your grasp of both history and the lessons it teaches is tenuous at best, so perhaps a lesson is in order.
The uniform itself is physically uncomfortable to wear – especially in warm weather – but I do it for the purpose of reminding people how and especially why this nation got here. I don’t mind if people mock me for wearing it – I expect that from the ignorant and the foolish – but it does make me sad when they mock the uniform itself, for in so doing they mock those who actually wore the uniform in their battle against British tyranny.
As for the use of a nom de plume, in the early days of our own republic such luminaries as Benjamin Franklin (‘Silence Dogood’) and Alexander Hamilton (‘Publius’)
and a great many others penned extensive works using fictitious names. For that matter, many writers do so today.
I doubt this explanation will mollify you (frankly that would be better accomplished using Ritalin and a leash)but I thought it was worth the attempt.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:04 amI gotta be honest, I have a few problems with this.
1. You interrupted Jay while he was having lunch to confront him? No class. I wasn’t there, but it is hard for me to think of a polite way to do that….
2. Why is there post after post killing CC on this site? The numbers simply do not add up. Every single poll I have seen in this race has somewhere between 92-94% of Republicans solidly behind CC. In polling terms, that is tantamount to complete party support and unity. Kindly stop pretending that you speak for conservatives, because the simple data says otherwise.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:06 amDi Marco:
I understand the point you are making. But what would prevent Webber from issuing a statement such as the following with regard to the Cap and Trade vote:
“As Republicans, we do not believe that govenrment control of industry is superior to market based solutions. It is beyond the legitimate functions of government to decree in advance how much carbon may be used (the “cap”). It is perverse for the government to then cloak that government control of the economy in capitalist, free market language by allowing companies to trade (the “trade”) their excess of that government allotment of carbon that the government had no right to limit in the first place. Members of the Republican caucus in New Jersey who voted for this scheme need to explain themselves to their constituents.”
Perhaps the language would need to be tinkered, as I just drafted this off the top of my head in about 10 minutes. But why can’t he issue such a statement? I have not even named Lance, Smith or LoBiondo by name – nor is any of them running for re-election this year anyhow.
Is he the chairman of the Republican Party? Does the Republican Party stand for anything?
July 21st, 2009 at 11:09 amFake Colonel…it really doesn’t matter…maybe the suit represents all that..or maybe you just like dressing up (closer to the truth, I think)…..but any way you cut it, you are still a funny little man wearing a funny little suit using a fake name.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:18 amBrennan:
1. As I mentioned, I initially hesitated to interrupt him. And when I ultimately did so, I was polite. He is a public figure and a leader…and he was sitting at an outside table right on the street. It’s not like I camped out at his home.
2. I don’t know where you or Dino the Zero are getting your numbers, but I sincerely doubt that 90+% of Republicans support Mr. Christie. He may wind up with that high a percentage of Republicans who actually vote, given that most Republicans will not vote for Corzine or Daggett. But plenty of Republicans will stay home. Mr. Christie is doing his best to alienate just about every important constituency in the Republican Party – except the RINO faction that stands for nothing. .
3. As for no class, it is you and the Christie supporters who come to this site and demand that we support Mr. Christie without giving any reason other than that other people support/endorse him. I for one have politely requested from you on prior occasions to offer me some policy reason to believe that Mr. Christie was going to enact a Conservative agenda. You and every other Christie supporter here have defaulted on those requests…which is why I felt impelled to ask one of the leaders of the Republican Party to give me a reason. He defaulted too.
We’ll see if Mr. Christie does as well as you and Dino the Zero think he will. One thing I do know though: even if I am wrong about the unlikelihood of his electoral prospects, I know he will not work to enact Conservative policies. That’s why I oppse him.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:19 amBrennan Huff:
Knowing Ed, I do not believe that he would have engaged in a conversation with Webber if Webber had not agreed to it. To say he confronted him, without proof is just plain wrong to say.
I don’t know which polls you have been looking, but in June the Republicans had a poll, it was called a primary election. At that time, 44% of republicans said that they did not want him as the candidate. This poll was also taken before Chris “What the Hell am I doing” Christie took a sharp left hand turn towards Obamaville. During the trip to Obamaville, he has praised a racist candidate for the supreme court, promised to support a “Green Job” program that is doomed to increase unemployment in this state and he has also invited THE GREAT OBAMA to the state. It would be real interesting to once again run that “poll” that we had in June today. I think you would see a radical shift in just who the on the street republican really wants for governor.
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” John Quincy Adams
July 21st, 2009 at 11:26 amThank you, Richard.
One thing to add to your list: when he welcomed THE GREAT OBAMA to the state and invited him back, the purpose of the president’s visit to NJ at that time was to stump for Corzine!
Someone earlier said that a Corzine-Christie fusion ticket would have been great. I second that call.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:30 am“Fake Colonel…it really doesn’t matter…maybe the suit represents all that..or maybe you just like dressing up (closer to the truth, I think)…..but any way you cut it, you are still a funny little man wearing a funny little suit using a fake name.”
Whatever floats your boat, admiral.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:10 pmOne more comment about Christie’s primary victory. Fewer than 18% of registered Republicans voted for Christie. Many voted for him under a false premise and now regret their decision. Republicans lose in November because election after election they take the base for granted. They think that as long the Republican candidate is a tiny fraction better than the democrat, the base will vote for them. Unfortuantely, when faced with a choice between bad and worse, most will abstrain.
Christie has taken this alienation to a new level with his embrace of the liberal policies. Hopefully, this election will prove to party and its candidates, once and for all, that this foolhardy approach will always end in failure.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:32 pm“Whatever floats your boat, admiral.”
Sorry Fake Colonel…I always use my real name.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:44 pmResponding to Ed questions in #24:
Webber now speaks for the Party. For him to make the comment you suggested, it would indicate that some Republicans did not act as such.
For whatever reason, Jay Webber and the Republican Party has made a decision not to stand for anything. Candidates seem to demand the ability to morph continuously. They want to be the jello that cannot be nailed down.
This is why it is important for the GOP to adopt a platform. Then, we will be able to measure a candidate by it. For us, as voters, we will be able to decide if we should be part of their club.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pmI totally understand the frustration Ed. I am just playing the odds. You are correct that if Christie wins then Jay will be stuck because Christie will be the head of the party. However that is extremely unlikely. That being said, once Christie is gone the one good thing he will have left behind is Jay Webber. Who will now be the head of the party.
If Jay comes out now against the establishment without having actual authority to really do so Christie will fire him. If that did not occur then the liberals in the party would turn around and try to blame Jay Webber for Christie’s loss and maybe try to replace him. If he is seen as undermining the party nominee no matter how bad he is, he will lose the upper hand.
Has he been all “Rah rah rah” for Christie? I have not seen that. I know if you ask him he will get that way, but I would guess it is because he has been asked a question.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:38 pmI hear you too Formaja. Given that Christie is the leader of the Party at least until November, it may well be that all we can do is cross our fingers and hope. I just think there has to be something Webber could say that would reassure Conservatives while not alienating the RINOs.
If Christie could finesse that line successfully during the primary campaign, why can’t a smart guy like Jay Webber do that now? He doesn’t have to say nearly as much as a primary candidate such as Christie had to say.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pm“If Jay comes out now against the establishment without having actual authority to really do so Christie will fire him.”
How can Christie fire him? This is not like a cabinet position where one reports directly to the other. This is more like judges to a high court, the chief executive nominates and the Senate votes to confirm. For the GOP Chairman, the party’s candidate for Governor nominates and the Committeepeople vote to confirm. The person that did the nomination cannot then recall that person.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:16 pmDi Marco,
I did not mean literally. But I am sure there are procedural things that could be done to fire Jay if they wanted to. Remember that Christie is a bully, and no one dare challenge him or face his wrath. That was one of the things we all saw from him on the campaign trail during the primaries. That was why his handles made him skip events that he did not have 100% total control over. He has a very short temper and thinks he is in charge and that is that.
If Jay challenges him or the establishment now he will spend his time defending himself rather then getting conservatives elected for the Assembly and local people as well. And if somehow they were to remove him, we will have lost any chance of a conservative chair.
Like I said just playing the odds, my guess is in 2010 after Christie gets clobbered election wise I think we will see a much more aggressive Jay Webber
July 21st, 2009 at 2:30 pmGentleman:
I don’t pull my opinions out of my a$$, I base them on rational data I have at my disposal.
In the last Quinippiac Poll (July 14th), likely GOP general election voters were choosing Christie 89-7. 4% Undecided. Monmouth U’s poll the same week found CC with a 78-4 approve/disapprove among GOPers. The party is united. the numbers speak for themselves.
And I have no class?
July 21st, 2009 at 2:45 pmI just hope Jay will turn out to be a leader and not just a bag man or lackey for the hollow men within the party.
To quote Lonegan’s recent op-ed:
“That’s why it is so important for the New Jersey Republican State Committee to take a principled stand, adopt the party platform, and then use those principles when the hollow men come round with their personal agendas.”
July 21st, 2009 at 2:50 pmBrennan,
There is one key point you may have over looked. The poll was of “likely GOP general election voters”.
How many are UNLIKELY voters because the choice is between Christie and Corzine?
July 21st, 2009 at 2:55 pmDi Marco:
Exactly! Well said.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:59 pmBrennan,
Who did they poll exactly? Christie’s staff?
The same polls show Christie dropping like a rock. First he was up 15, then 12, then 8. By end of the months it will be within the margin of error and by Labor day it will be Corzine ahead. He has no shot at being Governor, and he never did. Which was the point all along, leadership making decisions to keep themselves in control rather then actaully winning.
Based on the historical FACTS (pesky word) that the hand picked NJGOP statewide candidate has not won since 1993 and has not come close since 2000, Chris Christie will never be elected the Governor of the State of New Jersey.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and thinking you will get a different result.
The party did its usual insane thing and has failed to learn from history. Corzine is the Governor until 2013 and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The key now is to win the Assembly, because Christie will be lucky to et 35% of the vote
July 21st, 2009 at 2:59 pmDiMarco: Do you know how they determine who “likely voters” are? They look at how often you have voted in the past and then poll those people. And, not by coincidence, rock ribbed conservatives come out to the polls more often than most other groups.
But thank you for your question.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:00 pmFormaja: Kindly retract your statement regarding CC “dropping like a rock”. The true numbers are as follows. (Taken from Realclearpolitics.com). The numbers are quite stable. Thank you for your interest.
Monmouth/Gannett 7/9 – 7/14 Christie +8
July 21st, 2009 at 3:05 pmQuinnipiac 7/8 – 7/12 Christie +12
Rasmussen Reports 7/7 – 7/7 Christie +7
Fairleigh Dickinson 6/22 – 6/29 Christie +6
PPP (D) 6/27 – 6/29 Christie +10
Strategic Vision Christie +12
I always vote, yet I never seem to get asked.
Can any of the other “rock ribbed conservatives” that frequent this site tell me if they were contacted recently by a polling organization asking for whom they will cast their vote?
July 21st, 2009 at 3:11 pm“Can any of the other “rock ribbed conservatives” that frequent this site tell me if they were contacted recently by a polling organization asking for whom they will cast their vote?”
I was never contacted.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:12 pmI was actually:
First question-will I be voting answer yes
2nd question-who will I vote for governor, I said nobody, I will be skipping the line
3rd question-my assembly people (I told them I will voting for one of my incumbants)
So I am a likely voter who will not be voting for Governor, somehow I bet there are more then 10% of us.
Brennon,
Strategic Vision is Christie polling company, so please ignore.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:18 pm“Brennan Huff Says: The numbers are quite stable.”
For now. It’s still summer and most of the electorate – especially the Democrats – are oblivious to what’s going on. Things will start heating up after Labor Day and get white hot in late October.
By then the combination of Corzine’s TV and radio ad bombardment coupled with Christie’s desperate attempts to move away from the right and occupy the center-left will be reflected in the polls. By that time, a significant portion of the conservative base will have made up its mind to either write in Lonegan, vote for a third party candidate or sit out the election.
Corzine will eke out a victory over Christie and the doom of the establishment GOP will be sealed.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:19 pmGentlemen-
July 21st, 2009 at 3:27 pmMy point is that what say I base on rational numbers and facts. You all chose to lambaste me without a basis in reason, only your feelings.
I only ask to hold you to the same standard I hold myself. If you wish to debate a point, I am more than happy to do so. But when people like Formaja think that Christie will not top 35% of the vote (a truly ludicrous statement)when all possible data says otherwise, it is difficult.
“…so perhaps he was not prepared to discuss policy at the moment I interrupted him.”
July 21st, 2009 at 3:47 pmEd, please don’t think for a minute that Webber wasn’t prepared to discuss policy. His title is part of who he is, around the clock. The guy is nothing but an opportunist. Were he truly a conservative, he would have endorsed Lonegan. I’m not interested in him being Mr. Congeniality. We, the conservatives, want specifics from those that are supposed to represent us, both in public and in private – even if they’re feigning conservatism, which by now, we know they are.
Writing to him will more than likely result in a response from his legal counsel. Just ask State Committee officials, Rob Eichmann and Donna Ward.
Michael – You’re right. Dino is a strange little man/reptile. He delights in these exchanges because it’s as close to a conversation he gets with anyone – at all. I feel sorry for him. Don’t we all?
The results of a poll is based on an extrapolation of a small sample. If someone asked me or Elaine or some others on June 3, who would we vote for in November, many would have said Christie, albeit without enthusiasm. The people that read and write on this site are more knowledgeable about the issues than most voters. Most have stated emphatically that they will not support Christie. As we get closer to election day, many more voters will become knowledgeable of the liberal path that Christie is on and will reach the same conclusion.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:35 pmDiMarco: Yes, polling is sampling and extrapolating from it. Correct. You either believe in the science of polling or you do not. Either belief is fine.
But polling numbers are CONSTANTLY quoted on this site. It can’t be done so selectively, though.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:50 pmBrennan Huff:
The final poll is in November. Between now and then, I promise you, I and many more like me will do everything in our power to insure that Christie is not our next governor.
“I am not a crook.” Richard M. Nixon
“I want you to listen to me. I’m going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.” William J. Clinton
“Being in this country without proper documentation is not a crime”! Chris Christie, Conservative (?) Republican Candidate for Governor.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:57 pmYou people are pathetic. Some guy in a halloween costume goes around stalking congressmen because he doesn’t like the way they voted on a single bill. Another guy bothers people while they are eating their lunch.
No wonder you guys can’t win elelctions.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:49 pmI give Jay Webber a lot of credit for being a true gentleman and carrying himself with class, even when Stalker Mazlish foisted himself in the middle of Webber’s appointment with another person.
I notice, by the way, that showing basic decency and consideration for the other man having lunch with Webber did not even occur to Stalker Mazlish. Very sad commentary about Ed Mazlish, sorry to say.
I just pray that Stalker Mazlish never acquires Webber’s home address. Ed Mazlish soon would be peering through the picture window of the family home at Webber’s wife and waiting to accost Webber’s kids with questions about their position on cap-and-trade. “Stop crying! I don’t care if you’re only 4 years old! I want you to denounce the cap-and-traitors, and I want you to do it right NOW, you little RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO!!”
July 21st, 2009 at 8:07 pmWho wants to wager Lonegan ends up with less than 1000 votes? Because I do. It won’t matter anyway, Christie wins by 200k.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:11 pmRyknow and Jonniston:
You guys have as much difficulty with the English language as your comrade Dino does. My post makes more than one reference to my reluctance to approach Mr. Webber, and the caution with which I did so. I also was polite at all times. He is a public figure, and he was having lunch not just in a public place – but on the sidewalk on the street. It is a gross distortion of the facts to pretend that I invaded his home or stalked him. I simply approached him with a question.
Of course, by your definition of stalking, both of youi are stalking me – because both of your comments are unwelcome.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:41 pm“Captain Ryknow Says: You people are pathetic. Some guy in a halloween costume goes around stalking congressmen because he doesn’t like the way they voted on a single bill. Another guy bothers people while they are eating their lunch. No wonder you guys can’t win elelctions.”
For a board troll you aren’t terribly creative with the language.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:44 pm“Who wants to wager Lonegan ends up with less than 1000 votes? Because I do. It won’t matter anyway, Christie wins by 200k”
I’ll take that wager. Steve Lonegan will garner 1,000 or more votes AND Chris Christie will lose by no fewer than 10,000 votes.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:17 pmEd -
I’ve thoroughly examined Chris Christie’s website for conservative issues raised by Steve Lonegan during the campaign, and found it severely lacking. Jay Webber seems to be the darling of the Republican party at the moment, but I have personally found his enthusiasm for conservative issues to be lacking, despite his own Ronald Reagan days and his spring “Tea Party” fundraiser. I’d welcome him to prove me wrong. I think the State Republican Party accomplished pulling him into the mainstream party by giving him his present position as head of the Republican State Committee for fundraising.
I’d be glad to share my analysis of Christie’s website with anyone who’s interested. Or do your own analysis and compare Christie with Lonegan, whose website still posts his platform.
Barbara
July 28th, 2009 at 3:39 pm