Nelson Caves in to Socialism
by: Michael Illions | December 19
After securing goodies for his home State of Nebraska from Harry Reid, Senator Ben Nelson, the last holdout for the Democrats, has caved in and will now vote YES for cloture on the health care “reform” legislation, clearing it’s way for full passage by Christmas.
What about the other Dems who said they were not sure how to vote?
December 19th, 2009 at 10:16 amZbigniew:
From what I have heard, all 60 on the Left are going to vote yes.
Republicans need to be united in voting no. And they will now have the first plank of the Second Contract With America: Repeal of Socialized Medicine.
Given more time, the Democrats will give the remaining planks of the Second Contract full form early next year.
December 19th, 2009 at 10:57 amAs bad as this is – and it is VERY bad news – this does not mean the bill is passed. They still must reconcile it and then vote on it again in both chambers. If it doesn’t have the public option, there are many in the House Democrat caucus who won’t vote for it. Ditto for abortion language.
December 19th, 2009 at 11:59 amHere is the link for the bill.
http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/managers-amendment.pdf
December 19th, 2009 at 12:33 pmListening to CSPAN right now Saturday Dec 19, 12:15 noon, you can hear all the goodies Nebraska is getting for their hospitals and clinics. Funding forever at 100% outside of any other legislation. This seems to me to be unconstitutional.
December 19th, 2009 at 12:40 pmYep, it is an utter outrage. But it’s about the millionth thing to be outraged about in the process.
This is officially the worst, most anti-American Congress in the history of our nation. There will be a very, very high price to pay for this.
December 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pmMike,
1. First off, this IS bad news, and yes, it IS going to pass. But as bad as the legislation is, it’s not so bad because the Republicans have remained unified in their opposition. They are raising taxes in the face of rising unemployment and a gripping recession. Nobody can cheat reality for long – not even Democrats. The bill will come due and they will be the ones who have to pay it.
2. In some respects it is better that the bill pass than that it come back to the Congress for the McCains, Grahams, Snowes, Collinses and other compromsers to get to work on a bipartisan bill. The Democrats are determined to pass a health care reform bill, and given that reality, the best we can hope for is the contrast of a unified opposition.
3. Another good thing about this bill passing is that it gives our side the chance to make clear what the lesson of 1994 was. Democrats believe the message from 1994 was that the voters punished the Democrats for not passing socialized medicine. If the Democrats get swamped again, there will be no evading – not even for Democrats – that the lesson is that the Americans do not want socialized medicine.
4. This Congress is just carrying forward all that has been implied in past Congresses for the past 75 years. Carrying a premise to its logical conclusion does not make this Congress worse than previous Congresses that accepted the premise in the first place.
There will be a lot of mopping up for us to do to clean up the mess the Democrats are making. First things first though: we need to nominate Republicans that reject the premises underlying socialism and are unafraid to defend individualism and individual liberty from socialist statist charges of “meanness.”
December 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pmEd:
I agree one hundred percent with you. Only 34% of Americans, according to Rasmussen think this abortion of a bill should be passed. What a time for conservatives to hammer a message in 2010 to take back congress and reverse this trend to socialism by repealing this ObamaCare bill.
“Congress is like a toilet, every now and then you have to flush it.” Richard Zuendt
December 19th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThis is a joke. Less than 30 percent of the people in Nebraska favor this health care bill. What the heck is wrong with Ben Nelson? I am tired of Obama and this Congress jamming through every bill no matter what the American public thinks.
December 19th, 2009 at 11:26 pmYou’ve got to remember, this turkey is a darn DEMOCRAT! Did anyone really think he wouldn’t cave? If you did I got some handyman special bridges in NJ that I can sell to you CHEEP!
December 20th, 2009 at 2:53 amRemember that Michael Illions endorsed and encouraged us to donate to Barry Funt, who is a $500 donor to Democrat Ben Nelson. Thanks Barry Funt and Michael Illions for enabling socialized medicine.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:18 amEd:
You were right to predict that all 60 Dems plan to vote “yes”. AT recently announced that Reid bought the votes of all the until-recently-opposed Dems.
You were right to say that all Republicans must unite and oppose this bill, and that if passes, they’ve got their first plank for their 2010 platform. Sadly, however, you’re wrong to say that the GOP IS united. It is not. The staff of one GOP Senator said that this Senator would vote “yes”. That Senator represents Arizona, and his name is not Jon Kyl.
I found that out from a newsletter I got from Jim Deakin.
I’d also like to caution all of you that IF the Dems do manage to deliver this to Obama’s desk (NOT under reconciliation rules), then the GOP won’t be able to repeal it until 2012. As long as Obama is the President, the GOP is not going to repeal it. Any repealing Act would’ve to be signed by Obama, who would certainly veto it. To override his veto, the GOP would need 2/3 of the 100 Senate seats AND 2/3 of the 435 Senate seats. It will not make such gains during the 2010 elections.
The GOP’s only hope to repeal it is to a) prepare the ground by making huge gains during the 2010 election; b) win the WH and the 60th Senate seat during the 2012 election. Failing that, the GOP won’t be able to repeal it even after 2012, because the Dems would filibuster a repealing Act.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:34 amToday, the Democrats are evil. But when you give the Republicans power, they will be evil. Neither should receive support from people who really love America.
Anyone who considers himself “conservative” and then supports the unresponsive Republican monopoly that conspires to ignore citizen needs and violate the principles of small government, freedom, and fiscal responsibility are hypocrites.
So, for the short term, the Republican monopoly team is all we have to stop the current death care take over. But, none of these guys should be supported for re-election. NONE. Every Republican and Democrat monopoly member who votes for a fiscally irresponsible budget is anti-American.
Once again, the better of two evils is no solution.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:13 amGene,
You have to state what you are FOR, not just what you are against.
I agree that too many in the Republican Party favor socialism, only that it be implemented more slowly. But there are also Republicans who are truly FOR limited government.
Advocating anarchy (no government) is an even worse evil solution than the current corrupt parties. And simply being AGAINST the current government is anarchy unless you propose something better.
Also, I think there is plenty of room to disagree over which of the two parties is the more evil. In my opinion, RINOs are more evil than Democrats because RINOs eliminate any chance at opposing statism, and replace the choice of “statism or liberty?” with the choice “which statist leader do you want?”
As long as we still have the right to speak under the First Amendment, we need to speak up and offer better ideas and better solutions.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 amEd,
Thanks for giving me the lead to present the flip side of AGAINST.
There are always more than two choices. One of the favorite dialectic games that are used by politicians, salesmen, lovers and lawyers is to convert everything into a binary decision.
If you are implying that being FOR the monopoly parties or their limited choices is a good thing, then you do not have a solution. That is the lessor of two evil approach that only produces evil.
I am FOR the elimination of monopoly parties. I am FOR the installation of patriots. I am FOR helping these patriots succeed.
I am FOR anyone who supports challengers to the monopoly party’s. I am FOR small, constitutional government. I am FOR fiscal responsibility. I am FOR freedom. I am FOR supporting anyone, regardless of party, even third party, who supports breaking the monopoly.
Although anarchy is BETTER than the anti-American monopoly that we have, it is NOT the best. There are many choices here. I am FOR the constitution as originally written.
In terms of a death care Bill, I am FOR health, especially the health freedoms needed to maintain real health. I am FOR provisions in the current death care bill that protect competitors of the pharmaceutical companies (free market). Health is a competitor of drugs.
I am FOR the support of ALL challengers to every incumbent in the Senate and Congress.
In fact, I am FOR almost everything “conservative” that is discussed on this site, except for supporting monopolies.
The real problem is convincing the general public to be FOR these things. Unless we can convince them, we will remain in the lessor of two evil prison.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:49 pmOn October 18, 2009, this is what Michael Illions argued in FAVOR of donating to Democrat Ben Nelson of Nebraska: “Nelsen [sic] was endorsed by the National Rifle Association, Nebraska Right to Life & Nebraskans United for Life.” We suppose that’s to be expected from Illions, a Whitman-Funt-Nelson “Republican”.
Instead of defending donations to Democrat Ben Nelson like Illions does, real Republicans have launched a website to collect funds to oust Democrat Ben Nelson in the 2012 election.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:00 amhttp://www.givebentheboot.com